«I think, as a good leader you have to like people. Leading people without liking them does not lead to good results.»

Michael Trautmann, together with Dr. Sarah Genner, forms the advisory board of days with us.

His resume is impressive: founder of New Work Masterskills - NWMS GmbH, co-founder of thjnk and HYROX, former Global CMO at Audi as well as podcaster («On the Way to New Work») and bestselling author of the book of the same name.

But that's only half the truth. In the interview with the NZZ, which as part of our NextWorkForums conducted in the context of our NextWorkForums, he talks about the dark sides of a glittering career. About business partners who were happy to carry on without him. About a mistaken assessment of his leadership abilities at the time and a depressive episode that changed everything.

👉In other words: a plea for more humanity in business.

Photo: Stefan Weiss.